[Rasch] Unidimensionality (follow up with the practical issue)

commons commons at tiac.net
Sun May 11 03:22:52 EST 2008

 There is a whole other question of testing.  I quantitative analysis of
behavior and in psychophysical and decision making branches of mathematical
psychology, we test until we get stable performance, not just the first
exposure.  There are warm up effects and transfer of training issues.  Kurt
Fischer has found over and over the supported testing of stage yields more
stable and meaningful results.  He uses models, but training probable would
have similar effects.  We could ask him.

My best,

Michael Lamport Commons, Ph.D.
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Department of Psychiatry
Harvard Medical School
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center
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Of Stephen Humphry
Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 8:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rasch] Unidimensionality (follow up with the practical issue)

I think the problem lies in confusion regarding the terms  
'multidimensionality' and 'unidimensional'.

To claim that ability or mental attributes are 'multidimensional'  
potentially confuses the geometric representation of correlations with  
the idea of an actual mental or psychological "space" in which things  
and phenomena genuinely exist statically and/or dynamically. Physical  
pace is actually three-dimensional, but nothing else has been shown to  
be actually multidimensional in this sense.

And correlation is contingent; correlation doesn't reveal causes, only  
experiments do. If physicists measurement using methods premised on  
correlation, confusion would reign.

Otherwise, multidimensional might simply mean test results depend on  
more than one attibute, each of which could in principle be measured  
indepdently, with relationships contingent on other factors. In the  
latter sense, most dimensions in physics could be called  
'multidimensional'. The mass of an object depends on its volume and  
density, but that doesn't mean it can't be measured.


Quoting Trevor Bond <trevor.bond at jcu.edu.au>:

> Dear steve et al,
> Let's start with the final pre-supposition:
> But using a Rasch model this way would require treating the data as
> though it were unidimensional, even though we have strong reason to
> believe that it is not.
> We should treat the data as unidimensional only to the extent that we
> have evidence to support that for the purpose of the decisions we make.
> Different aspects of a (maths) test do not (necessarily) imply several
> measurement dimensions.
> That's where we got into this discussion with the Ferguson ref claiming
> factors can be artifactual (artifacts of the difficulty range)
> consequences of the FA (correlations based) analyses. (see ppxii-xiii
> of B&F 2001 for details)
> So that is why I need better to understand what happens when you
> extract a Rasch Dimension from what is truly a multi-dimensional
> situation.
> Multidimensions are perhaps better analysed using the MCMLM model used
> for PISA (B&F 2007, pp258-260).
> Then we get back to the criticism I have of much educational testing:
> if mere exposure to test items invalidates their use / changes their
> test characteristics, I wonder what they really test. My guess it is
> not understanding of the maths concepts.
> Translator's note:
> maths in Oz = math in US
> Best
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